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SICKO
JB
1693 posts
Jul 04, 2007
12:00 AM
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Anyone seen Michael Moore's new movie yet? I am most excited. I am linking this thread to the Reviews thread, because I will be interested in it as a movie, butI think the conversation will end up being more important than the movie itself.
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JB
1695 posts
Jul 04, 2007
12:02 AM
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The link for the Reviews thead is:
http://www.juliethebolt.net/board/add_board_topic.cfm/266875
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JB
1714 posts
Jul 06, 2007
6:51 PM
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BlueCross Secret Memo Re: 'Sicko' ... "You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore's movie..."
July 6th, 2007
Friends,
An employee who works at Capital BlueCross has sent us a confidential memo written and circulated by its Vice President of Corporate Communications, Barclay Fitzpatrick. His job, it seems, was to go and watch "Sicko," observe the audience's reaction, and then suggest a plan of action for how to deal with the movie.
The memo, which I am releasing publicly in this email, is a fascinating look at how one health care company views "Sicko" -- and what it fears its larger impact will be on the public. The industry's only hope, the memo seems to indicate, is if the movie "flops."
Mr. Fitzpatrick writes: "In typical Moore fashion, Government and business leaders are behind a conspiracy to keep the little guy down and dominated while getting rich."
No. You don't say! That can't be!
BlueCross V.P. Fitzpatrick seems downright depressed about the movie he just saw. "You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore's movie," he writes. "Sicko" leaves audiences feeling "ashamed to be...a capitalist, and part of a 'me' society instead of a 'we' society."
He walks out of the theater only to witness an unusual sight: people -- strangers -- mingling and talking to each other. "'I didn't know they (the insurers) did that!' was a common exclamation followed by a discussion of the example," according to Fitzpatrick.
He then assesses the film's impact: "[T]he impact on small business decision makers, our members, the community, and our employees could be significant. Ignoring its impact might be a successful strategy only if it flops, but that has not been the history of Moore's films ... If popular, the movie will have a negative impact on our image in this community."
The BlueCross memo then suggests a strategy in dealing with "Sicko" and offers the BCBS "talking points" to be used in discounting the film.
My heartfelt thanks to the employee who sent this to me.
And now a word from me to Capital BlueCross:
How 'bout a debate? No more secret memos and hand wringing about the millions seeing "Sicko." Just me and your CEO openly debating the merits of a system that kills thousands of innocent Americans every year.
In the meantime, I hope you don't mind me sharing your thoughts and impressions in your well-written memo. And if the rest of your executive team hasn't seen "Sicko," it opens in an additional 100 cities tonight for a total of over 700 screens across North America. Attendance went up a whopping 56% on the 4th of July, higher than any other film in the theaters right now. But don't be scared, and certainly don't be ashamed to be a capitalist. Greed is good! Especially good for you. There's nothing like having the pre-existing condition of being rich, should you ever get sick and need help.
Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com
P.S. Join me at noon EST, today, when I'll be chatting with U.S. Steelworkers, the California Nurses Association, and whoever stops by to talk about "Sicko" and the industry's attempt to stop this movement. Check my website for details.
[The following memo was written by Barclay Fitzpatrick, VP of Corporate Communications for Capital BlueCross]
I was able to see Sicko last night in Lancaster. There were about 30 other viewers in the theatre covering all age groups. I have attached the well-written memo from one of our partners, which describes cases used in the movie, to the end of my memo. Also attached are the latest talking points from BCBSA. I will focus on impact to our brands, issues, and suggested strategies in this memo.
The Movie
You would have to be dead to be unaffected by Moore's movie, he is an effective storyteller. In Sicko Moore presents a collage of injustices by selecting stories, no matter how exceptional to the norm, that present the health insurance industry as a set of organizations and people dedicated to denying claims in the name of profit. Denial for treatments that are considered "experimental" is a common story, along with denial for previous conditions, and denial for application errors or omissions. Individual employees from Humana and other insurers are interviewed who claim to have actively pursued claim denial as an institutionalized goal in the name of profit.
While Humana and Kaiser Permanente are demonized, the BlueCross and BlueShield brands appear, separately and together, visually and verbally, with such frequency that there should be no doubt that whatever visceral reaction his movie stirs will spill over onto the Blues brands in every market. Here are some examples:
* Horizon BlueCross/BlueShield is picked out early in the film in a collage of stories citing bad treatment of members.
* BCBSA is cited for rejecting a woman for coverage due to a high BMI - "too fat" is written across the screen over a copy of her application denial letter, which describes the BMI rejection.
* BlueShield of California denied coverage for a diagnostic test, which the patient later received overseas. Patient sues BS of CA and medical director admits to not 'seeing' the actual denial letter, which was given an electronic signature.
* BlueCross of California denied payment for a major surgery after they discovered a previous yeast infection, then dropped the person for coverage. This is followed by an interview with a person who claims to have been a specialist at finding inaccuracies in applications to enable post-treatment payment denials.
* A BCBSA card is shown while the narrator describes how they (insurers) got wealthy.
In typical Moore fashion, Government and business leaders are behind a conspiracy to keep the little guy down and dominated while getting rich. Nixon Oval Office tapes are used to show how the initial idea of a 'less care = profit' enterprise was supported by the administration and became the HMO paradigm. Legislators are presented as bought stooges for the political agendas of insurers and big Pharma. Insurers are middlemen in the Medicare Modernization Act - which is presented as a trick to charge seniors more for their prescription drugs.
Doctors are barely touched - only in the course of discussing the AMA's work to sink early efforts in the 40's and 50's to start universal health care. He takes efforts to show that doctors live well in other countries despite the existence of universal health care. In follow-up interviews, Moore has stated that he has spoken to and knows many doctors, and "doctors aren't the problem".
In the second half of the movie, Moore walks us through individual stories of the Canadian, British, French, and Cuban health care systems where everything is free and - he reminds us repeatedly - no one is ever denied service because they can't pay. In addition to health care, the government provides free day care, college, and someone to do your laundry. Everybody gets along and takes care of each other and life is beautiful because there is universal health care. As a viewer, you are made to feel ashamed to be an American, a capitalist, and part of a 'me' society instead of a 'we' society - and the lack of universal health care is held up in support of that condemnation.
The Impact
Moore's movies are intentionally intense and his objective in Sicko seems to be to revive the earlier Clinton efforts - not to achieve universal coverage with this movie, but to push the topic to the top of the agenda. He will be just as successful whether proponents mount momentum or discussion entails key stakeholders defending why it won't work.
As a health care industry educated viewer it is easy to pick out where Moore is cultivating misperceptions to further a political agenda, but you will also recognize that 80%+ of the audience will have their perceptions substantially affected. In demonstration of its impact, an informal discussion group ensued outside the theatre after the movie. While some people recognized how one-sided the presentation was, most were incredulous and "I didn't know they (the insurers) did that!" was a common exclamation followed by a discussion of the example.
The unfortunate reality for Capital BlueCross is that as the market leader, we will be affected both in brand and as employees as Moore's efforts in the movie and surrounding PR activity are seen by more of the community. The impact on industry savvy Sales' contacts should be minimal, while the impact on small business decision makers, our members, the community, and our employees could be significant. Ignoring its impact might be a successful strategy only if it flops, but that has not been the history of Moore's films nor the way this one appears to be headed. If popular, the movie will have a negative impact on our image in this community.
There should be no doubt that many of our employees will be asked what they think of the movie by friends, family, and neighbors. We should anticipate that our customer service people will be asked about particular cases from the movie and if we follow similar policies. Word and phrases we have routinely used to date in policy change communications or denial letters, such as "Investigational", will be seen as affirming the film's contentions. The national BCBSA response - while coming out against the film's divisiveness and focusing on the positive work of the Blues - steers media inquiries about policies and denials back to the plans themselves.
There are 4 key areas of misperception cultivated by the movie that we should consider in any messaging strategy:
1. That the industry is all about HMO's. Moore cultivates this further in his interviews. The reality is that HMO's are a minority product and have been for some time.
2. The movie attacks insurers for a profit motive, but makes no distinction among for-profit and non-profit insurers, and in its execution places the Blue Plans together with the for-profit insurers.
3. All plans and employees - from leaders to service representatives - are painted as motivated by profit to deny claims, and only those with crisis of conscience have come forward to confess their sins.
4. Perhaps most damaging of all, Moore completely fails to address the most significant driver of health care costs - our own lifestyle choices - and seeks to focus attention and efforts on the alluring 'quick-fix' of universal health care. It has taken a generation of poor nutrition and exercise to get obesity and related health issues - and subsequent costs - to their current levels, and Moore's movie fails to acknowledge the causal relationship or need to change (he briefly touches the subject in a non-memorable way). Contrast this to the recent Health Care Symposium held in Harrisburg - where a panel of representatives from Government, Insurance, Hospitals, Business, Physicians, and even Lawyers agreed on one thing - that there was no quick fix and that Health and Wellness was the critical area of focus.
Suggestions
I believe the most successful strategy will not be in attacking the movie for its weaknesses or misperceptions, but in distancing ourselves and our brand from the groups and motivations he attacks, demonstrating the good that we do and achieve (aligns with BCBSA strategy), and in articulating our disappointment that he did not address the truly relevant issue of improving our health and wellness. We will convene a team to consider other approaches and work on potential messages for media inquiries, customer service, and employees.
Confidential Memo (from partner)
SiCKO - viewed on 6/26/2007
Takeaways
* The main theme of the movie is that American society needs to focus on the "we" and not the "me" in healthcare.
o This broad message is an overlay for the specific criticisms of the healthcare industry - the movie asks where the morality of the American public lies and contrasts America's approach to health care unfavorably with other nations.
* SiCKO does not go into any depth about how health insurers operate how the health insurance business works - instead it fixates on what it characterizes as the profit incentive to deny care to patients (e.g. examples of barriers to getting health insurance if you are not healthy; examples of people being denied expensive tests or procedures; examples of efforts to deny reimbursement after care has been received.)
* The film draws no distinction between not-for-profit and for-profit insurers - in fact the Blue Cross/Blue Shield brand is intermixed with the for - profit brands as background reference points. o One scene shows a Blue Cross / Blue Shield logo as Michael Moore's voice over begins, "While the healthcare companies get wealthy..."
* The health insurers that get the most airtime are:
o Kaiser Permanente
o Humana
o CIGNA
o Blue Cross of California
o Aetna
* No Pharma companies are mentioned - but SiCKO suggests in multiple instances that prescription drugs are overpriced
o At a pharmacy in London, prescription drugs are £6.65, no matter how large the dose
o In Cuba, one bankrupt 9/11 worker's inhaler costs 5 cents, instead of $100
Further Notes
* Some of the examples of denial of care highlighted in the film:
o A woman with Kaiser Permanente takes her 18-month daughter to the hospital in an ambulance, only to be told to go to an in-network hospital. By the time they reach the second hospital, her daughter has stopped breathing and dies 30 minutes later in ER.
o A woman with Blue Shield of California has a tumor but is denied requests to get an MRI, or to see a specialist. While on vacation in Japan she is given an MRI, and eventually returns to the U.S. to demand treatment from her insurer.
* In the ensuing court case, a doctor admits to denying her request without having reviewed it.
o Blue Cross of California approves one woman's $7,500 treatment, but the approval is later denied for her failure to report a previous medical incident - a yeast infection.
* "They're just looking for a way out," she says
* Other examples of how health insurers avoid paying for treatment:
o One graph (from Humana) shows that doctors with the highest % of denials get a bonus.
o Michael Moore interviews a former health insurance employee who specialized in denying care to patients retroactively - by finding inconsistencies in their medical records.
o A 5-minute piece in the beginning of the movie .
* The film also focuses on the politicians and the funds they raise from Pharma and other player in the health care industry and alleges that the system has been heavily influenced by lobbyists and contributions.
Barclay Fitzpatrick
Vice President
Corporate Communications
Capital BlueCross
(w) 717-541-7752
(c) 717-329-3648
barclay.fitzpatrick@capbluecross.com
MichaelMooreTalkingPoints61807.doc
Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association
Talking Points in Response to Michael Moore's "Sicko"
June 2007
1) The Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association (BCBSA) and the 39 Blue Cross and Blue Shield companies are committed to improving the U.S. healthcare system for our nearly 100 million members through continuous innovation that reflects the ever-changing healthcare landscape and the needs of the consumer.
2) The Blues recognize the need for improvement of both the coverage and delivery of healthcare. But the divisive tone set forth by Michael Moore and his movie "Sicko" is not helpful. Positive change to our healthcare system can be best achieved through shared responsibility, not recrimination. To ensure Americans have access to the best healthcare that is both timely, efficient, and of high quality, requires the collective contribution of all stakeholders -- consumers, providers, employers and the government.
3) The Blues participation in the Health Coverage Coalition for the Uninsured is a primary example of how the broader healthcare community is working together to reduce the number of uninsured in the United States.
4) The Blues are working on myriad initiatives that ensure Americans have access to quality and affordable healthcare. Each day, Blue Plans across the country are bringing healthcare value to their members in a number of ways such as new advances in health information technology and greater access to cost and quality information. In addition:
o The Blues recently created Blue Health Intelligence a data resource that will shine light on emerging medical trends and treatment options in an unprecedented way. To further the use of evidenced-based medicine, BCBSA has called upon Congress to establish an independent, payer-funded institute that will study the comparative effectiveness of new and existing medical treatments and procedures.
o Blue Cross and Blue Shield companies are at the forefront of healthcare transparency by providing their members with online access to real-time information related to provider quality and the cost of common healthcare services. In addition, the Blues have committed to making personal health records available to their members by 2008.
o We are working to ensure that Medicare is funded appropriately and that seniors continue to have access to comprehensive benefits.
5) The Blues are proud of these efforts and we will continue to work with consumers, providers, employers and the government to provide Americans with the healthcare services and information they need to lead full, healthy lives.
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jopaku
268 posts
Jul 06, 2007
7:58 PM
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Anything involving Michael Moore has very little credibility. With others, it is bias that you have to worry about, with Moore, he's capable of just flat out lying.
Is it worth it to watch a movie, and then have to figure out what is true and what isn't?
If he told me something that I KNEW to be true, I am not sure I would even believe him then.
You've referred to him as a modern day Mark Twain, but he is more of a modern day Elmer Gantry.
What good is the message, if you can't trust the messenger?
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Vixen
8 posts
Jul 06, 2007
9:06 PM
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Jopaku, I'm not a film maker, a scholar or a "lefty" trying to rock the political boat...
I'm a mum of a handicapped child...I have a TRUE story of how Blue Cross is attempting to deny my daughter the medical equipment she needs in order for her to continue learning to walk. Would you like to hear it?
I defy you to refute MY example.
You may argue that perhaps our case is not the norm and that Mike Moore is still "lying". You may also argue that Blue Cross has every right to attempt to deny my daughter. You would be wrong on both counts. (The only reason they haven't actually denied her is because I'm still yelling and will continue to make them miserable until they cough up)
I believe Mike Moore is biased in his movies, of course he is, it's a very effective way of making people see things from the perspective of your choosing. However, Mr. Moore is not lying, I CAN prove it.
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jopaku
269 posts
Jul 06, 2007
9:14 PM
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Prove what? That insurance companies are bad? Or that everything he says or does in an attempt to prove that they are, is true?
If the end justifies the means is good enough for you in a documentary, then go ahead and watch.
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JB
1715 posts
Jul 06, 2007
9:16 PM
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I see it differently, although I may actually understand why you feel that way. The gist of it is to tell his story, Michael Moore does do stunts. He had a whole show, back in the day, called TV Nation, in which the premise was exposing corruption at corporations in comedic but revealing ways. He created extreme situations to see/expose the reactions of people who he believed were culpable.
Now, if I worked at the corporation, and believed it was good and just corp, or was simply unaware of any exploitation within that industry or even felt singled out, I might find him suspect. And that is one reason why many people feel do not like his work – the notion that by forcing unnatural interactions he is being insincere. Also, he edits to tell his story. However, that is what we all do each time we compose anything or even utter a sentence. He shows his angle. He agitates to tell a story.
So the way you feel about him might be how I feel about Bill O'Reilly, whom I haven't been able to stomach even for a minute for years. But people, who believe in his angles, don't feel his show is pure exploitive propaganda, but that he is cleverly exposing some evil in society. (I forget whether you like him or not, though I know we discussed it.)
Anyway, I know that Moore does stunts, but I also think that his stunts DO expose truths, stand up to oppression, and ask serious questions about serious issues that we can explore and fact-check.
After Bowling for Columbine, which I thought was genius, I used to debate with those extremely intense devoted-to-their-cause cats over at Moorewatch. Even though they loath Moore like the devil, they used to admit that MM was a damn good storyteller/filmmaker, even though to them it all was lies.
So, as a movie SICKO is bound to be compelling. But if you think we have a good and just healthcare system and that it is not a corporate system, or if you think that for-profit industries really are the best ways to create a healthy and equitable society, then you will probably hate it.
If you think that free or non-profit nationalized healthcare is the most ethical and just way to treat the human beings who make up a society, or that the current for-profit insurance system is unethical and sleazy, then you might find it compelling. The guys at Moorewatch will take it apart bit by bit. MichaelMoore.com will offer all this sources and explain his practices. As for “the real truth,” a person who hasn't thought about this issue can compare and contrast articles and their sources. One might think it is all true, some of it is true, or none is true. Some may think his strategies are valid and others may not. I think he is utterly bombastic, but in the way many impactful forces/activists/artists have to be. I believe that, sure, he has an ego, but his quest is sincere, and his question are critical.
Yeah, I think our healthcare system sucks and is a symptom of a greedy overly-individualistic society. I also think we should have quality public schools that are not funded by property taxes, free day care, and a society more friendly to working people in terms of wages, benefits, and free time. I am obviously inclined to like Sicko.
So when I see it I will probably find it funny, and shocking, and moving. Because he's a very good artist. And I already know that I agree with his premise. As for the whether or not there are any LIES, I'll spend the time reading the rebuttals, investigating other sources, etc. With Roger and Me, Bowling, and Fahrenheit, it was apparent he pulled stunts. He uses comedy as a strategy, but anchors it with social, historical, and economic questions our corporate downplays. He also uses anecdotal examples. Sometimes these have been manipulated, and I think it is fine to expose that. The story he tells doesn’t mean it is the only story or only side. I take that for granted with a Michael Moore movie. But as someone who tends to agree with his premises, I am very glad he pushes us towards greater empathy of inequities by exposing them. And by forcing questions and debate. In terms of the humor, impact, talent, and the overall zeitgeist quality of his work, he is indeed a contemporary Mark Twain. Remember, “conservatives” of Samuel Clemons day hated him too. He even lied about his name!
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Vixen
9 posts
Jul 06, 2007
9:21 PM
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NO!
I did not say that everything Moore says is true. He IS trying to prove his point and does it very convincingly. If it were someone doing the same thing for a cause you supported you'd think the same way. Just because you choose to disagree on the merits of the director, rather than what's staring many Americans in the face everyday...your choice.
Honestly though, if this country needs Moore to illuminate the glaring problems with health insurance...it's a very sad day. Way too many people know first hand how unfair, dishonest and immoral health insurers are.
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jopaku
270 posts
Jul 06, 2007
9:41 PM
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Vixen, I said he was a liar, and you said he was not. You can "PROVE" it. I didn't say he lied about everything, only that because he lies about some things, you can't trust him at all.
I also did not make any statement at all about healthcare or insurance companies. I think you were putting words in my mouth. Didn't you once accuse me of that?
JB, a documentary is not a movie. People tend to take information presented to them in documentary form as fact. It is being presented that way.
The only Moore film I ever watched was Roger and Me, many years ago at a time where I called myself a Democrat. When I found out that he had actually had an interview on film with Roger Smith, but still pretended that he couldn't get in to see him, I decided I would never watch another one of his "documentaries".
I don't like O'Reilly, but his show is an editorial. You are getting his opinion, and he let's everyone know it.
Last Edited on 6-Jul-2007 10:55 PM
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JB
1717 posts
Jul 06, 2007
9:45 PM
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Man, I'm scared shitless of what will happen to me when I grow old or get sick. I'm a teacher. I attempt to work in society's best interest. I trained and went in debt for degrees. But of course, that means that on my salary alone, I would barely make a living wage.
When Theo became our son, the state recommended that my kid stay in therapy to deal with being in an inter-racial family, and help him through the issues and questions of adoption. After three shitty to adequate therapists in LA, we finally found a terrific one in NYC. But guess what we learned today: THE INSURANCE WON'T PAY.
Fortunately, my son is a doing very well, but if he wasn't, this denial of recommended therapy would be a good example of how cycles are created through social policy.
Jo, I'm not directing this at you specifically, but suppose Vixen is talking about a handicap that could be treated, but insurance won't pay? Isn't it absurd that a child's life and the child's parent life be needlessly effected because of our lack of national health care? Especially when there are better models out there? At least better for people that aren't independently rich?
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jopaku
271 posts
Jul 06, 2007
10:24 PM
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I was really just commenting on Michael Moore.
As far as what to do with our healthcare system, I don't have an opinion.
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JB
1720 posts
Jul 06, 2007
11:20 PM
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Moore does not do traditional documentaries. He does not pretend to be objective. They are more like art and passionate arguments on film. It's a new genre, and a good one. The traditional kind is not necessarily objective either. Of course, they too have a point of view, but don't acknowledge it. They too present questionable and bias info as fact and were often propaganda. With Moore, at least I know who I am dealing with.
It's amazing the impact he has had on film. We now have a fertile genre of healthily rambunctious debate in movies. That is one small example of the direction a TRUE DEMOCRACY should go. Movies about the world around us that entertain, but compel us to ask more questions and be better critical thinkers.
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JB
1724 posts
Jul 08, 2007
9:55 PM
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Saw it! Loved it! Definately see where it will be attacked, stunts and all, but he exposed the corporate health care system brillantly, outrageously, shockingly, with humor and some very moving moments.
Who has seen it? Go!
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me.
1274 posts
Jul 10, 2007
5:57 AM
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Moore has been attacked in the press over here over this movie. I was openminded to learn what in the movie itself was, say, untruthful or overdone, or repulsive.
I read the whole article, in the independent no less, and there was nothing about the actual movie itself.
Just references to his fatness, his roger and me movie, his inability to get interviews now that everyone is wary
and so on and so on.
So given that a smear campaign (a campaign where irrelevant but damaging things are brought up to discredit someone over something entirely different) has started, he must have done the right thing.
I refer you to confucious, again: if bad people hate you, then that's good.
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JB
1733 posts
Jul 10, 2007
9:34 PM
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When will it be released over yonder?
I remember a couple years back when you were first discovering MM and were intrigued. It was endearing.
So how do you feel about the national health system in England?
Do you really not have to pay for decent medical care?
Are your doctors actually motivated to cure you and have no financial concerns about treatment?
Also, the film also talks about a new system that rewards doctors who cure the most patients. If so, that's brilliant.
A country that really cares about the health of it's citizenry?!?!
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