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Best Flicks of 2007, Oscars faves, etc.
JB

1741 post s
22-Feb-2008
11:30 PM
Here are BOLT’S FAVE FLICKS OF THE YEAR. Eventually I'll pontificate about a few of them in the reviews section:

1) No Country for Old Men
(to my considerable glee, I'm not alone here!)

2) The Host
(beyond awesome Korean film)

3) Persepolis
(animated French film by Iranian Marjane Satrapi)

4) Into the Wild
(must review this one)

5) Sicko
(Mike's still my man)

6) The Namesake
(seek it out!)

7) Away from Her
(heart-wrenching, smart, and, sigh, Julie Christie. . .)

8) The Darjeeling Limited
(Wes Anderson’s best since Rushmore)

9) The Savages
(I think I know these people)

10) Michael Clayton
(very imperfect but take chances and lingers)

WHERE IS: There Will Be Blood?: Hey, no doubt: very good acting; interesting camera work; long theatrical shots with no dialog; relevant themes of oil, corruption, religious fundamentalism -- you name it. But I didn't love it. It's a subjective thing, but for whatever reason it didn't move or provoke me.

BUT I ENJOYED: Talk to Me (Cheadle!), Elizabeth: The Golden Age, The Assassination of Jesse James, Wristcutters (see it for Tom Waits alone), Kite Runner, Paprika, Charlie Wilson's War, Mr. Bean's Holiday, Zodiac, I'm Not There, and (cough, cough) I am Legend (well, the first half . . . ) and also (cough cough) Juno (though too cutesy and overly writerly for me.) I am debating whether to include Black Snake Moan on this list... Tough one.

HARD TO WATCH BUT GLAD I DID: Darfur Now, Redacted, A Mighty Heart, Red Road, and the incredibly depressing but excellent 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days. I am still deciding if I am glad to have watched En Vie de Rose…

SHOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER: Rendition, American Gangster.

HAVE YET TO SEE: The Diving Bell, Sweeney Todd, Gone Baby Gone, Lust/Caution, and lots of other stuff.

MOST ANNOYING: Reign Over Me (despite Cheadle, whom I love madly.)

SICKEST MOST VILE AND MANIPULATIVE MOVIE EVER MADE: Untraceable. *If you liked it, seek help fast!!!*: I can’t fathom why anyone would agree to be a part of it and shudder to think of the discussions in the editing room.

MOST OVER-RATED: Atonement. The first third is gorgeous and intriguing and the young girl is superb. But after Cute Guy is arrested, it becomes contrived, increasingly pretentious. In the end it is all a gimmick and, alas, even Vanessa Redgrave can't save it.

MOST UNDER-RATED!: Lions for Lambs. I didn't see it in the theater because I heard it was preachy and polemical. I ended up watching it in a hotel while away at a conference. While not great art, this film is compelling enough, but more importantly, does an excellent job at connecting the dots about what we have endured politically and socially post 9/11. Honestly, I think critics didn’t like it because it points out how deeply culpable the media is and urges all of us to get off our asses. And it is not as preachy as people say. There are lots of unanswered questions, ambiguity and even hope at the end. (And Meryl Streep is wonderful and creepy Tom Cruise is really creepy as a creepy senator.) Though this film will didn’t do well, it will have a long shelf life as a time capsule of this truly shameful era in American history. For this reason it almost made my top ten.

jopaku

284 post s
23-Feb-2008
8:14 AM
I can't remember the last time I walked into a movie theater. The idea just seems so uncomfortable. Sitting with strangers and eating really bad, overpriced junkfood doesn't appeal to me anymore.

When it comes to the Oscars, there was a time when the best movies were the ones that everyone went to see, and those were the ones that won the awards. That's no longer the case, and I wonder why.

Last Edited on 23-Feb-2008 8:15 AM

JB

1744 post s
23-Feb-2008
11:25 AM
As per your last question, it's a very big and obvious problem... industry politics of some kind. Though last year played out nicely with The Departed, Forrest Whitaker, and Helen Mirren winning. (Can't remember who/what else...)

I still love going to the movies. I'm like a kid. Almost. I love being with the crowds, though I admit to sitting way in front to avoid being shoulder--shoulder with folks. Yes, fkicks are over priced, the food is toxic, the popcorn drenched in all kinds of fats -- though I admit to indulging some. I do stick to water though!

For me enduring four very mediocre movies, is worth the payoff for one great one!

JB

1745 post s
23-Feb-2008
11:26 AM
Jo, do you get netflicks, or are you just an all-around cinematic Scrooge? (Not that there is anything wrong with that!)
jopaku

286 post s
23-Feb-2008
6:35 PM
I keep meaning to check out netflix. I don't know if choosing a movie several days in advance works for me though. I am bored with blockbuster. I mainly prefer much older movies than they have available. My movies range from the late thirties to the mid seventies. Turner Classic Movies is probably the channel I watch most.
miguel

161 post s
29-Feb-2008
5:53 PM
The only movie I watched from that list was "No country for Old Men" and "American Gangster".
No Country for Old Men: I thought it was pretty good, excellent! Weird in a way. I didn't expect it was going to be that way after all I've heard about it. It is somewhat nihilistic as well - I guess it's one of those movies that don't leave a happy feeling in you.
American Gangster: Pretty good as well yet somewhat predictable - Gangster is small-time. Gangster has a great idea. Gangster becomes big-time. Police find out. Gangster goes down. - I guess I've seen that story in so many other movies that you already know what's going to happen. Which is not a terribly bad thing - most movies nowadays are very predictable. So I've found an interesting idea related to japanese Kabuki theater : The audience already knows the story - they are only interested in the performance. And the performance, activities, and shots in that movie are excellent and when it gets gritty it gets REALLY gritty.

I do enjoy going to the theater myself, but since I usually am pretty cheap about entertainment that is not my USUAL entertainment (hehe) I tend to just go to the movies that I think are going to be really cool.

Jopaku - unfortunately yes there are many annoyances in theaters, but I've been so angry when I watch a movie in DVD that I really love and I know I could've watched it in the theater... Because the theater's sound and huge screen really give you a completely different experience than watching at home. That's why I was very happy to go watch the re-release of Blade Runner not too long ago!

MY LIST : OLDER MOVIES THAT I'VE WATCHED LATELY FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT I LIKED

-Children of Men *****
-Dune (Extended Version) ****
-The Day After ***
-Soylent Green (am I seeing a pattern here!?) ***
-The Bad Sleep Well (great Kurosawa movie) ****

I still have to go watch Persepolis!!!!!

JB
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29-Feb-2008
7:04 PM
Miguel, I am SO WITH YOU on Children of Men. Great allegory, but pretty close to reality. Watch it people! (Don't think you will like it, Jo, but who knows.)

No Country for Old Men blew me away. It was not just nihilistic, but moving, even inspiring. (Each time I say that people look at me like I'm nuts.) But it dug so deep into the impending fate/doom of our random lives that the heroic moment at the end was breath-taking to me. The film reflected how ugly we often are but how beautiful and rare life itself is. Talking about this movie actually makes me sound religious.

Maybe it's the atheist's version of that Mel Gibson's Passion movie. While there is a very obvious "evil" and maybe a Judas in No Country, there is also a Jesus, a quiet, but very brave and beautiful one.

I saw it months ago and by chance am seeing it again tomorrow night. It will be interesting to feast in a second round.

JB
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29-Feb-2008
7:12 PM
Yes, Miguel, you MUST see Persepolis!!! While it is still on the big screen. Please!

And I must see The Bad Sleep Well. How could I not know this Kurosawa film?

I love how you love Dune! I dug the book back in the day, but don't remember the movie well.

What is interesting to me is that Dune (both book and film) takes on biblical proportions to so many guys I know. And I mean smart, thoughtful guys like yourself. I'm sure there are many women who have been equally moved by it, but I am struck that there is a somewhat gendered response.

miguel

162 post s
29-Feb-2008
8:46 PM
it is done then... tomorrow, my activity will be go watch persepolis!

About Dune and male enthusiasm (haha): My first and most sarcastic answer would be that just because it is Sci-Fi it will eternally appeal to men A LOT more than women. It is not a very far fetched thing when you see 'nerdy' sci fi enthusiasts being portrayed as inept in the realm of meeting women, or as reclusive people whose main concerns in life is the lives of fantasy characters.

Women, when it comes to movies, (in my experience and my opinion), have a stronger tendency to worry less about characters in fantasy lands; and more about characters in real situations perhaps involving romance(hence the term "CHICK FLICK"). I had a girlfriend that had never watched star wars! And when I showed it to her she was vaguely interested despite my enthusiasm. (wow this could spawn a whole new topic to discuss!)

Another biggie is the fact that in Sci-Fi, the story usually revolves around a main character which is generally male, and involved in some kind of war... ...and there you go.

Now, I think Dune has some exceptions - Paul Atreide's adventures; are not so much adventures in the sense of Indiana Jones or Luke Skywalker, but more or less 'political adventures'; not that it changes the fact that the main guy is still a man, but it doesn't rely on a childish fascination for action and epic sword fights. Unfortunately, even if in the grand scheme of things the women in Dune do have very major roles, in the movie they do seem rather downplayed and it's unclear to see if they contribute to anything crucial except from the obvious.

I recommend watching the extended release. That's the one I watched first, and when I watched the actual theatrical release, there were some things that were missing that I felt were very important.

I think the reason Dune spoke to me so much was that I'd been dwelling in this whole idea of taking knowledge about the world and taking all kinds of positive views and trying to use all of that knowledge to turn into an interesting sci-fi story (And the big challenge in sci fi is somehow relating all those views into the visuals!). Not that this is anything new, but Frank Herbert literally wrote THE story that did this.

Children of Men - I think that movie is one of the only Sci-Fi stories that have been made recently that are very successful at that as well. Taking all kinds of current events and madness even a step further and telling us so many things about the current state of world - and somehow moving some emotions inside of us that make us sensitive to real issues. That movie was emotional in so many levels, it really blew me away.

Last Edited on 29-Feb-2008 8:46 PM

 

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